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Work A co-working space only for women

ToyBoxOrphan

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There have been men-only clubs for centuries. The Wing is a co-working space in New York exclusively for women. Should there be more like this around the world?
I...don't understand this. :thinking: Somebody help me out. I get that women would love to work in peace and not be harassed and interrupted, etc. so having a female only space might be more comfortable for some. What I really don't understand is why people don't either stay at work until they're done or go the fuck home to do it. I guess work spaces are great solution in place of coffee shops, but I don't get why people worked at coffee shops in the first place. There's already work spaces. They're called "work." :meh:

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Frigg!

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I'm not sure why this is a thing either. I think it makes more sense to address work culture generally, though that's obviously going to take some time.

The real problem has always been networking at higher levels in an organization. I mean a lot of business goes on on the links and at the bar, and it's not the best place for women to do business. And in some cases getting sloshed is not really a good place to do business anyway.

Remember the Secret Service going to strip clubs? I mean, aside from that being stupidly inappropriate for many reasons, what does that say to the women agents?

I remember Mika Brzezinski talking about NY and DC journalism, and why hanging out after work with too many drinks was maybe not the best thing for the business. Well aside from it being a riskier thing for a woman, imagine how that locks out someone struggling with alcoholism? Not cool.

Now, where education is concerned, it's been shown that in some cases girls do better if they are in all girl classes, but that's rather a long story and a different one.
 
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I know this much.

Just about every women I've ended up working with, was elated with the fact that they didn't have to work with other women.

It came as a surprise to me, cause I was used to seeing women congregate and talk about god knows what.

Some, would even confess to me (don't know why they did.......I showed zero interest in what they had to say.....lol) that 90% of what
they talked to women about was mostly bullshit.

That sounds exaggerated to me, but has nonetheless been the common theme.

So, hearing that they talk mostly bullshit and can hardly get along and now want an additional place to continue the bullshit.......sounds....

Stupid to me. Am I missing something?
 
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I see the point. In a culture where our VP won't be alone with a woman out of fear of surprise sex, it's very difficult for women to be seen in a business only perspective. There's still very much the perception that men and women can't be platonic, and that sex is almost inevitable. Men still very much use sex to control the women around them, and barter career advancements for sexual favors.

That said, I see the other side too. That a space like this perpetuates that norm. That it prolongs rather than faces up to the rape culture.
 
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There is no shortage of homo erection types like that. Men are animals when it comes to women. And I know it's a generalization but honestly, it's pretty damned prevalent. Not that my experience is the sum of all things but I can't think I've ever gone to any part of the US and thought otherwise. It takes a short while to take the temperature of a man when you guy-talk with them.

Not saying they all turn out to be pigs and rapist........only that we most certainly wired a certain way. Wired as in most men are that way, not that all are.........obviously.

I also see women take advantage of this. They know what triggers men and use that to their advantage. Of course it doesn't justify any of the stupid crap men do, but why the hell would you want to play that game?
 
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There is no shortage of homo erection types like that. Men are animals when it comes to women. And I know it's a generalization but honestly, it's pretty damned prevalent. Not that my experience is the sum of all things but I can't think I've ever gone to any part of the US and thought otherwise. It takes a short while to take the temperature of a man when you guy-talk with them.

Not saying they all turn out to be pigs and rapist........only that we most certainly wired a certain way. Wired as in most men are that way, not that all are.........obviously.

I also see women take advantage of this. They know what triggers men and use that to their advantage. Of course it doesn't justify any of the stupid crap men do, but why the hell would you want to play that game?
As a social narrative, we are taught that women's consent is nice, but not required. It's less that men are pigs and more than culturally speaking, we're not inclined to encourage them to take responsibility for their (inappropriate) behaviors toward women.

Would said space be open to trans women as well?
IMO, it would be wrong if were it not.
 

Frigg!

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I know this much.

Just about every women I've ended up working with, was elated with the fact that they didn't have to work with other women.

It came as a surprise to me, cause I was used to seeing women congregate and talk about god knows what.
Years ago a coworker, who was an advocate for women, asked me if the only thing I knew about a boss was if it was a man or a woman, would I have a preference?

And he was shocked when I took no time at all to reply I'll take the male boss, thanks.

We really need to work on how gender expresses itself at work. Women haven't been in positions of authority that long, and it's just going to take a few generations for things to settle down. People who have never had power in a culture often don't wield it well when they get it initially.

Some, would even confess to me (don't know why they did.......I showed zero interest in what they had to say.....lol) that 90% of what
they talked to women about was mostly bullshit.

That sounds exaggerated to me, but has nonetheless been the common theme.
I hate the small talk. But that's my personality, so I would.

So, hearing that they talk mostly bullshit and can hardly get along and now want an additional place to continue the bullshit.......sounds....

Stupid to me. Am I missing something?
I don't think the answer to gender exclusive networking is more gender exclusive networking.

But I can see some space for it, at least for a while. Sort of like why black colleges are still important.
 
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